Filtered by:. More fingers than teeth. The pronunciation of proven 15 April , I would say the o as in over, everyone seems to say the o like a u. What's going on here? Tags: None. SupremeSpod has no reputation. Originally posted by minestrone View Post. Reply With Quote. Comment Post Cancel. Proved is proved, but proven is pr 'oh, oh, oh, it's magic' ven. Ministry of Love. Proven Define Proven at Dictionary.
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Questions about grammar and vocabulary? Join us Join our community to access the latest language learning and assessment tips from Oxford University Press! If anyone is willing to offer the British view, we can count up the numbers and see who scores highest. In the US I have never heard that pronunciation. If I did, I would take that as the spelling pronunciation, applying a French pronunciation to what is now a fully English word.
I think the "th" was introduced into the spelling in a mistaken belief that the name came from Greek. Now I think about it: spelling pronunciation of "th" in proper names is endemic in the US: I think of "Blumenthal" etc. Phil: Is the yod-less pronunciation of "figure" really older? I don't see a source for this claim on the Wikipedia page. Tonio Green said Do you mean you're annoyed by the verbal use I suggested MKR may have been referring to, as in Julie's "he had proven"?
That certainly annoys the hell out of me, but I'm not American, so why does it annoy you? Phil, Gosh, here we go again with the expectation of academic rigour from us humble contributors. Your hypervigilance deserves a bit of the same from me: you have alerted me to the terrible possibility that my above-mentioned American friends may have succeeded in knocking any suggestion of a superiority of BrE over AmE out of my head, but not out of my heart!
Thanks for drawing my attention to the Wikipedia page on the subject. And Eloah is a bit of an eye-opener, isn't it? That makes the Elohist look pretty stupid, doesn't it? Tho not so stupid as the Jehovist, surely. It's still the mainstream Brit pronunciation of a fully English word.
But I'm surprise you have never heard that pronunciation in the US. One does hear French pronunciations of fully English words there, including wrong ones! So I don't know whether his parents were so learned as to have insisted on an Aramaic pronunciation! BTW I hope this isn't another false memory I find has been jogged by mollymooly, but my American radio announcer's nuns were Irish! Do you think the older form emigrated with it? Don't you think it's more likely that a spelling pronunciation was introduced in AmE but not BrE?
You could still say that the yod-less pronunciation of "figure" IS really older, but of course it would not be as old as the one with yod the first time round.
Though that does seem to be sort of consistently inconsistent. John Walker, in his Critical Pronouncing Dictionary gives what we might take to be an orthoepical view of "figure": "There is a coarse and a delicate pronunciation of this word and its compounds. The first is such a pronunciation as makes the u short and shut, as if written figgur: the last preserves the sound of u open, as if y were prefixed, fig-yure.
Or was there a surviving yod-ful version of this word that traveled to America and there, through Yankee pluck, managed to spread to largely supplant the vulgar "figgur"? The word seems to have shown up in English in I really know nothing about the history of French pronunciation. I'm quite sure that it would not have been. French final consonants began to be dropped in certain contexts from the time of Old French, and by around the 17th century, they were dropped in all situations save for cases of liaison.
Lipman said So what was German Thal etc all about? It persisted into the 20th century, and though I have said I grew up on Fraktur and was still reading mostly that as a student, it seemed to take a helluva long time for all those native German words to lose their purely decorative hs.
Jongseong's Wertheim at least has a native h to spelling-pronounce with his t! Phil said But I did point out that the yodless form does survive in AmE as well as BrE, and mention the possibility that the older form with yod emigrated with it.
So I certainly don't think Walker invented it. But I still think it's more likely that it died out in both Englishes, stayed dead in BrE and was introduced as a spelling pronunciation in AmE but not BrE.
But I agree it took pluck for all those schoolmarms and nuns to impose these things on their vulgar charges! Unless I've missed something, nobody here shares my prejudices. In proven ability I would hear it as a variant. In an advert claiming support from laboratory trials, I hear it as a deception. For the first half of my life I'm now a pensioner , I was only aware of proven as part of a verdict or as a premodifier.
When I first heard it in TV commercials, I initially thought that they were cheating: using the word in the sense of 'tested' with the illusion that they meant proof that could be defended.
Nowadays, I see it as a substituted for found.
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